Here in America we have an aloof obtuse elite class that cares little for those they neither see nor understand. But we also have a Bill of Rights and a second amendment as well as a first. With those two amendments the political and elite class fear us and without those two amendments we would be slaves and surfs. You are finding in Britain that without those protections of your sovereign humanity you are slaves.. only distinguished by the quality and luxury of the cage you were held in. I pity you because the very ideas that we drew upon to create those rights were birthed on your soil and given voice for the first time... The very writers of those words that gave us Liberty were Englishmen on the verge of starting something new but drawing on the culture and the intellectual history I had been given... The English pride themselves on their civility... It will be your undoing as horrific a statement as that is.
I understand why elites in London don't care about these girls, I don't understand why local police have the same attitude. Don't these officers come from the community they are policing? Don't they have a sense of duty to their communities? I cannot fathom the scale of this abuse and crime with the manifest indifference.
Someone who is more familiar with this area and UK culture: can you explain to me how the parents of these girls were so out of touch with what was happening to them? I understand these girls were probably targeted or that the targeting succeeded more often if they came from broken homes, but what level of family dysfunction are we talking about here?!?
The sentencing remarks by the judge in 2013 in the Oxford cases (link in the article) demonstrate that at least some of the girls had loving parents who desperately tried to rescue them. I think parents are up against serious obstacles if they have young teenagers who are going off the rails: our hyper sexualised culture, the easy availability of drugs and alcohol, and perhaps most of all, lack of support from teachers, doctors, police, and communities in general.
A horrific systemic failure. From one of the articles you linked: “The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so." In other words, we have to let young girls 11, 13, 15 years old etc continue to get raped because if we go after the rapists it will come out that he is Asian or Muslim or whatever. Disgusting.
Tragic. Yes, parents are up against a lot. It's bad enough much of the community is indifferent to the family, but incredible that many in the community actively want to thwart the family.
The point in particular which really stuck out to me was the mention of how pornography has impacted the global perception of white and East Asian women.
I’ve seen it often pondered how porn molds sexual tastes for fetishes and obviously encourages objectification, but I have never considered the way it may train the brains of the men who consume in in places where no women participate in it in reference to the types of women who do.
Are white western women (black western women as well, not mentioned here) and East Asians the sacrificial offering to the evil that is international demand for sexual dominion on film? It sure would seem so, and why are we seemingly okay with this?
I saw an interview with one of the victims that made my blood boil. They were sexually racializing her as they raped her when she was 13. Saying white girls are sluts and they deserve it.
It's not uncommon for white women to be sexually racialized as part of a weird inferiority complex driven, desperate, conquest larp fetish. But this was taken to such an extreme, I can't even say what I want to say about it.
Watching a people commit societal suicide in real time out of a sense of self-loathing is epically sad. This is, on a national level, the equivalent of a young girl defending the boyfriend that beat her half to death because she did in fact forget to do the dishes, after all. Except it's worse, because in this case the person guilty of not doing the dishes was not her, but her grandmother, and the gf also provides everything for the abusive bf to include his room and board, and he is not the slightest bit grateful. And to make matters worse, when the police do eventually come out because the neighbors complain of screaming, it is the gf who is arrested for disturbing the peace.
With this logic, you might as well say Why attribute violent crimes to men rather than women? - after all, the perpetrators of crime are 'people'.
Obviously that would be stupid. We identify more specific groups of people so that we can recognise where the problem lies.
And in this type of crime (rape gangs abusing white girls) the perpetrators are not 'men' in general, but *predominantly Muslim men,* and even more specifically, Muslim men of certain ethnicities.
It looks like you've overlooked a crucial point (which Louise stated explicitly) - which is that the racial/religious element was a key factor. The rapists saw the white girls as slags and whores *because they weren't Muslim*.
Obviously there are some parallels, but something like the Pelicot case is, as far as I can tell, relatively rare, plus does not involve the authorities deliberately trying to silence the victims for fear of upsetting community relations between the native working class population and a hostile non-native group that the government had imported largely against the wishes of the native population. Yes, the problem is overwhelmingly more a male problem than a female problem. But that doesn’t preclude the possibility that being a Pakistani Muslim is an additional risk factor on top of being male.
There is one simple concept to help explain this - the right words: in-group preference. The in-group (us) is legitimate; the out-group (them) is illegitimate, The Other. *Anything* can be done to The Other, because they are illegitimate in our in-group narrative.
Here’s what bothers me. This is how Finland dealt with the problem. The rape gangs were discovered operating there in 2019. There was the usual try at cover up so as not to discredit the great multicultural experiment however, the population protested outside the courts and the government changed 8n the next election at which point the legislature changed the laws:
“As a response to the sex crimes revelations, three fast-track legislative projects were introduced in Parliament in January: one to increase penalties for child sexual abuse; one to enhance the Police's ability to "process" people's personal data; and one to take away Finnish citizenship from naturalized aliens who commit certain crimes. Antti Lindtman, chairman of the Social Democratic Parliamentary Group, underscored the uniqueness of having all parliamentary groups support the initiatives.[48]”
England and other Western countries could pass similar laws tomorrow. Why don’t we? How have we so lost the plot that we can’t protect our own children?
I'm not from the UK but even I instantly understand "Rotherham". I didn't know the details of the case because frankly I'm afraid to look, so I'm just now learning from you it's got an explicitly racial, anti-white element. It's really an atrocity and a moral failure from every direction. You don't need to know too much about it to see that. So I averted my eyes, so to speak. My kids are not white but to imagine that there are people targeting these girls for that kind of abuse just for who they are, makes one want to vomit. Because it could have been your kids, white or not. And it could just be for who they are. I don't know how anyone can look into the eyes of such innocence and proceed to do that. Or stay silent and a bystander if you had the power to do something about it, like these elites do. That's not just a failure. It's a crime.
I don't think vigilante justice is ever the answer, but may I hypothetically ask whether the absence of any substantial efforts at vigilante justice might also be concerning? Like, it's weird if you have an infection and don't run a fever. It seems that natural instincts to protect young females aren't just being suppressed by the state effectively suppressing vigilanteism, but the bond of instinctive protection might actually have been largely erased by western culture.
Nobody in the West desires to hate anyone, and nefarious elements of Western society successfully created an emotional connection between hatred and protecting one's children and community. The result was as predictable as it is horrifying. Today, nobody can honestly claim multi-culturalism does not harm White society, especially its daughters; the question is whether we care.
There's a comparison I've been thinking about since seeing you say on Twitter how women who grew up in those areas in the 90s / 2000s often say that, when they think about it, they remember one or two girls at school who had very disorganised home lives and people said they had older Asian boyfriends - that this indicates the scale of it at that time and how it was ignored.
One of the criticisms of the national report into it seems to be that it merged it with child sex abuse generally. But what this reminds me of is the sex trade generally. I've heard it said about Romania that the disappearance of young women into the Western European sex trade is like the First World War - everyone remembers someone who vanished when they were teenagers / young people. As a social phenomenon, we know that both where it's legally supported (like Germany) and where it isn't, like here, prostitution is filled with women who come from abused backgrounds, lacked family support, and were groomed / coerced into it, and this is just quietly ignored. One of the other reasons the authorities turned a blind eye to this may be revealed by the way they used to refer to it as child prostitution - police forces are utterly used to turning a blind eye to the abuse and vulnerability of women in that situation, and are used to basically approaching it by an unwritten set of different rules (oh, it's OK, this older man isn't her *rapist* he's her *pimp*, let's not get involved unless someone gets killed).
Thank you for this article and for continuing to raise the profile of issues like this. Are there any practical ways to help those who suffered or are still suffering that you particularly recommend?
Thank you. You found the right words. May they be shouted from the housetops and reverberate through the halls of media and the political class.
Here in America we have an aloof obtuse elite class that cares little for those they neither see nor understand. But we also have a Bill of Rights and a second amendment as well as a first. With those two amendments the political and elite class fear us and without those two amendments we would be slaves and surfs. You are finding in Britain that without those protections of your sovereign humanity you are slaves.. only distinguished by the quality and luxury of the cage you were held in. I pity you because the very ideas that we drew upon to create those rights were birthed on your soil and given voice for the first time... The very writers of those words that gave us Liberty were Englishmen on the verge of starting something new but drawing on the culture and the intellectual history I had been given... The English pride themselves on their civility... It will be your undoing as horrific a statement as that is.
I understand why elites in London don't care about these girls, I don't understand why local police have the same attitude. Don't these officers come from the community they are policing? Don't they have a sense of duty to their communities? I cannot fathom the scale of this abuse and crime with the manifest indifference.
Can't stop thinking about this article.
Someone who is more familiar with this area and UK culture: can you explain to me how the parents of these girls were so out of touch with what was happening to them? I understand these girls were probably targeted or that the targeting succeeded more often if they came from broken homes, but what level of family dysfunction are we talking about here?!?
The sentencing remarks by the judge in 2013 in the Oxford cases (link in the article) demonstrate that at least some of the girls had loving parents who desperately tried to rescue them. I think parents are up against serious obstacles if they have young teenagers who are going off the rails: our hyper sexualised culture, the easy availability of drugs and alcohol, and perhaps most of all, lack of support from teachers, doctors, police, and communities in general.
A horrific systemic failure. From one of the articles you linked: “The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so." In other words, we have to let young girls 11, 13, 15 years old etc continue to get raped because if we go after the rapists it will come out that he is Asian or Muslim or whatever. Disgusting.
Tragic. Yes, parents are up against a lot. It's bad enough much of the community is indifferent to the family, but incredible that many in the community actively want to thwart the family.
The point in particular which really stuck out to me was the mention of how pornography has impacted the global perception of white and East Asian women.
I’ve seen it often pondered how porn molds sexual tastes for fetishes and obviously encourages objectification, but I have never considered the way it may train the brains of the men who consume in in places where no women participate in it in reference to the types of women who do.
Are white western women (black western women as well, not mentioned here) and East Asians the sacrificial offering to the evil that is international demand for sexual dominion on film? It sure would seem so, and why are we seemingly okay with this?
I saw an interview with one of the victims that made my blood boil. They were sexually racializing her as they raped her when she was 13. Saying white girls are sluts and they deserve it.
It's not uncommon for white women to be sexually racialized as part of a weird inferiority complex driven, desperate, conquest larp fetish. But this was taken to such an extreme, I can't even say what I want to say about it.
I can only imagine. It’s all just venomous and rotten.
Watching a people commit societal suicide in real time out of a sense of self-loathing is epically sad. This is, on a national level, the equivalent of a young girl defending the boyfriend that beat her half to death because she did in fact forget to do the dishes, after all. Except it's worse, because in this case the person guilty of not doing the dishes was not her, but her grandmother, and the gf also provides everything for the abusive bf to include his room and board, and he is not the slightest bit grateful. And to make matters worse, when the police do eventually come out because the neighbors complain of screaming, it is the gf who is arrested for disturbing the peace.
Is this much different from what her husband did to Gisele Pelicot? Why blame Muslims when the problem is males?
With this logic, you might as well say Why attribute violent crimes to men rather than women? - after all, the perpetrators of crime are 'people'.
Obviously that would be stupid. We identify more specific groups of people so that we can recognise where the problem lies.
And in this type of crime (rape gangs abusing white girls) the perpetrators are not 'men' in general, but *predominantly Muslim men,* and even more specifically, Muslim men of certain ethnicities.
It looks like you've overlooked a crucial point (which Louise stated explicitly) - which is that the racial/religious element was a key factor. The rapists saw the white girls as slags and whores *because they weren't Muslim*.
I think that the group abusing girls and women is “all men.”
Obviously there are some parallels, but something like the Pelicot case is, as far as I can tell, relatively rare, plus does not involve the authorities deliberately trying to silence the victims for fear of upsetting community relations between the native working class population and a hostile non-native group that the government had imported largely against the wishes of the native population. Yes, the problem is overwhelmingly more a male problem than a female problem. But that doesn’t preclude the possibility that being a Pakistani Muslim is an additional risk factor on top of being male.
There is one simple concept to help explain this - the right words: in-group preference. The in-group (us) is legitimate; the out-group (them) is illegitimate, The Other. *Anything* can be done to The Other, because they are illegitimate in our in-group narrative.
Here’s what bothers me. This is how Finland dealt with the problem. The rape gangs were discovered operating there in 2019. There was the usual try at cover up so as not to discredit the great multicultural experiment however, the population protested outside the courts and the government changed 8n the next election at which point the legislature changed the laws:
“As a response to the sex crimes revelations, three fast-track legislative projects were introduced in Parliament in January: one to increase penalties for child sexual abuse; one to enhance the Police's ability to "process" people's personal data; and one to take away Finnish citizenship from naturalized aliens who commit certain crimes. Antti Lindtman, chairman of the Social Democratic Parliamentary Group, underscored the uniqueness of having all parliamentary groups support the initiatives.[48]”
England and other Western countries could pass similar laws tomorrow. Why don’t we? How have we so lost the plot that we can’t protect our own children?
I'm not from the UK but even I instantly understand "Rotherham". I didn't know the details of the case because frankly I'm afraid to look, so I'm just now learning from you it's got an explicitly racial, anti-white element. It's really an atrocity and a moral failure from every direction. You don't need to know too much about it to see that. So I averted my eyes, so to speak. My kids are not white but to imagine that there are people targeting these girls for that kind of abuse just for who they are, makes one want to vomit. Because it could have been your kids, white or not. And it could just be for who they are. I don't know how anyone can look into the eyes of such innocence and proceed to do that. Or stay silent and a bystander if you had the power to do something about it, like these elites do. That's not just a failure. It's a crime.
This is a heroic article; anyone who talks publicly about Rotherham is brave just for daring to touch the subject
I don't think vigilante justice is ever the answer, but may I hypothetically ask whether the absence of any substantial efforts at vigilante justice might also be concerning? Like, it's weird if you have an infection and don't run a fever. It seems that natural instincts to protect young females aren't just being suppressed by the state effectively suppressing vigilanteism, but the bond of instinctive protection might actually have been largely erased by western culture.
Nobody in the West desires to hate anyone, and nefarious elements of Western society successfully created an emotional connection between hatred and protecting one's children and community. The result was as predictable as it is horrifying. Today, nobody can honestly claim multi-culturalism does not harm White society, especially its daughters; the question is whether we care.
Spot on..
There's a comparison I've been thinking about since seeing you say on Twitter how women who grew up in those areas in the 90s / 2000s often say that, when they think about it, they remember one or two girls at school who had very disorganised home lives and people said they had older Asian boyfriends - that this indicates the scale of it at that time and how it was ignored.
One of the criticisms of the national report into it seems to be that it merged it with child sex abuse generally. But what this reminds me of is the sex trade generally. I've heard it said about Romania that the disappearance of young women into the Western European sex trade is like the First World War - everyone remembers someone who vanished when they were teenagers / young people. As a social phenomenon, we know that both where it's legally supported (like Germany) and where it isn't, like here, prostitution is filled with women who come from abused backgrounds, lacked family support, and were groomed / coerced into it, and this is just quietly ignored. One of the other reasons the authorities turned a blind eye to this may be revealed by the way they used to refer to it as child prostitution - police forces are utterly used to turning a blind eye to the abuse and vulnerability of women in that situation, and are used to basically approaching it by an unwritten set of different rules (oh, it's OK, this older man isn't her *rapist* he's her *pimp*, let's not get involved unless someone gets killed).
Thank you for this article and for continuing to raise the profile of issues like this. Are there any practical ways to help those who suffered or are still suffering that you particularly recommend?